Friday, November 18, 2005

The US retains control of the internet



There's no real news here. The outcome was inevitable. The whiny europeans and fascist regimes didn't really have any leverage. It looks like the US gave the toddlers a pacifier by creating a non-binding commission or some other crap that is useless.

I was following the discussion over at ars. Ars actually has adults discussing things at a pretty high level for most topics unlike some other places *cough* osnews. Of course some maniac, leftist extremist threw a tantrum and had to be scolded by a moderator.

The more interesting comment was made by a Swede though:

Other than this, I say that incompetence seems to be a general trait of bureaucrasy. When ever there is a government involved there is bureaucrasy. However I'd rather see the worlds nations come together in incompetence than to see only the americans get in on the fun. And no, I don't see any direct problems with how it's been run; aside from general incompetence from ICANN. But that's to be expected.

So instead of having things the way they are now (which is pretty good), this guy would rather have everything be completely fucked up just for the sake that "America doesn't get to have all the fun".

That pretty much sums up leftist ideology. Instead of trying to bring people up the leftist always wants to bring people down into the sewer. Now unfortunately there are millions and millions of people in the world that think this way. Who knows why they do - indoctrination by school, the media, the government are probably the major reasons, but clearly these people think emotionally and not logically and that's what makes them so dangerous.

Hitler and Stalin blamed the jews for their problems, now it looks like the fascist left is blaming America for everything.

12 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

now it looks like the fascist left is blaming America for everything.

You can't be "fascist" and "left" at the same time. Fascism is a right-wing ideology.

Words have meaning. Trying to redefine the meaning of words to support your bias is intellectually dishonest.

4:42 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

You can't be "fascist" and "left" at the same time. Fascism is a right-wing ideology.

I reject the left's attempt at rewriting history. Do you know what NAZI stands for? Hint - there's a socialism in there.

Here is the history of fascism

5:10 PM  
Blogger Moulinneuf said...

The UN , created forum to discuss the Internet , The US supporte them and endorsed the idea , its not there idea , as they where already what whas going to happen as its the usual step taken by the UN , it just made the US look like they are in charge , there not at all , the forum where already on the agenda.

ICANN is not under the contol or part of the US governement , its a non profit ORG like the Red Cross , it whas not created by the US government , the only US contribution whas the funding of some of its construction by the US citizen tru there government , just like many oher contributor to ICANN.

If you retain control as you put it , then the US is to blame for China , IRAN , CUBA , Pakistan , illegal control of it entirely. You cant lkie about having control and not face the consequence of letting other do as they wish without any consequence , when you falsely claim to be in control. If your in charge as you put it then everytime the internet fail to be delivered to one user in China , bogota , Hong Kong or anywhere else because the ISP spent less on the infrastructure and the system there are not reliable then the US is to Blame entirely.

Having the headquarter of a non profit group in your country dont make you in charge of it.

Your not providing any real input on the discussiona , your not showing the point being made at all , your just showing what is your position and support for a lie , one only need to look at this blog to see how deconnected and really extremist and to what lenght your going to be going to push your failing agenda.

Its easy to say that its the people who are Anti American , when the fact is all the whinning and tantrum come from a very vocal minority who is in control for now in the US only , wich make this an Etats-Unians problem entirely. Some of you ( including you ) are disconnected from reality entirely.

9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So instead of having things the way they are now (which is pretty good), this guy would rather have everything be completely fucked up just for the sake that "America doesn't get to have all the fun".

I think the "fun" he was referring to was incompetence, i.e. he was saying he'd rather have the Internet run by a diverse group of incompetent governments than have one incompetent government go it alone. (His scathing comments towards government in general suggest this interpretation.)

To adopt his (perhaps slightly tongue-in-cheek?) cynicism, this is the nature of democracy -- voting rights are shared by all incompetent people equally, rather than being the preserve of a select few.

I do sometimes think it might be nice to exclude some of the more extremely incompetent people. Unfortunately though, different people have different definitions of incompetence (i.e. anyone who disagrees with them). Excluding people (whoever they are) often leads to disaster. (A dictatorship, no matter how benignly it starts off, generally turns out for the worse.)

Moulinneuf
Having the headquarter of a non profit group in your country dont make you in charge of it.

Perhaps it shouldn't, but in practice it does. ICANN is answerable to USA law, and only USA law, and the USA can change its law however it pleases (i.e. it can make specific laws telling ICANN what it can and can't do, in minute detail).


Breaking from the current topic, it has occured to me that there is something wrong with the format of the blog in general. The idea seems to be to find the worst examples of opposing arguments, and say how bad they are.

I had been thinking about doing this myself with Christianity. I'd have no shortage of examples. (Just recently there was a Christian couple on TV who let their baby die because they opted for the healing power of prayer rather than medacine -- and they're still sure they made the right decision!)

But having seen what it might turn out like, I've changed my mind.

6:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

> >You can't be "fascist" and "left" at the same time. Fascism is a right-wing ideology.

> I reject the left's attempt at rewriting history. Do you know what NAZI stands for? Hint - there's a socialism in there.


Ohh, your god...there is an A in Nazi...and in Democracy too...those damn Democrats...I knew it!!!!!!


Socialism is just a word adopted by the Nazis because it sounded good...not because of any "leftness"...


It has been a long time since I read something as fanatical as your writings...

7:51 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Socialism is just a word adopted by the Nazis because it sounded good...not because of any "leftness"...


It has been a long time since I read something as fanatical as your writings...


Did you take a peek at the link? http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htmThe left hates it when fascism's marxist/socialist roots are exposed.

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you take a peek at the link?

yap

The left hates it when fascism's marxist/socialist roots are exposed.

Well..I would not call it "roots". I would call it training.

In my observation, the far right and the far left...or actually anybody that is fanatical in any way, is rather similar. I know quite a few cases of people changing from far right to far left, or other way round.

During the time of Mussolinis youth, the left was probably the place to be to start mayhem and to rebel. Then he changed, and in his later years he is, in my opinion, better placed into the far right.

Anyways due to these observations i came to conclude that i do not like all the extremes, left and right.

And you, are clearly one extreme fanatic. (Even if I probably would not place you in the traditional far-right, you are certainly right-ish)


So yes, I cannot take you serious, same as all the other fanatics. (Religious, political, economic, sports-fan, boy-band-fan...you name it)

8:31 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

And you, are clearly one extreme fanatic. (Even if I probably would not place you in the traditional far-right, you are certainly right-ish)

If being libertarian makes you a fanatic then so be it. I'd rather be a fanatic than a leftist fascist.



So yes, I cannot take you serious, same as all the other fanatics. (Religious, political, economic, sports-fan, boy-band-fan...you name it)


I didn't ask you to take me seriously. But it's good that your angry that I expose the fascist left .

9:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow - it looks like someone spilled a jar of right-wing cliches all over a rant generator.

And if your post wasn't the result of some sort of rant-generator boilerplate, then I can only imagine you furiously pounding it out on your keyboard, while hyperventillating and chanting through gritted teeth, "liberals hate America, liberals hate America, rrrawwwwr!"

Someone warm up the formula, because it sounds like a baby wants his bottle.

9:10 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

And if your post wasn't the result of some sort of rant-generator boilerplate, then I can only imagine you furiously pounding it out on your keyboard, while hyperventillating and chanting through gritted teeth, "liberals hate America, liberals hate America, rrrawwwwr!

I see you're doing a little bit of introspection and projection. The angry leftist is hilarious. The best thing about Bush winning '04 was seeing the left implode into an infantile tantrum.

Since the leftist know his ideas are logically flawed, he can only rely on his raw emotions and a constant barrage of lies to try and bolster his position.

Thanks for the post.

1:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If being libertarian makes you a fanatic then so be it. I'd rather be a fanatic than a leftist fascist.

Not your libertarianism makes you a fanatic. (As no basic political position does) What makes you a fanatic (and I am not sure I would call you a libertarian) is your obvious utter lack of reflection.


I didn't ask you to take me seriously. But it's good that your angry that I expose the fascist left .

I am quite impressed by your utter lack of understanding ;-)

If I do not care...how can I be angry?


Actually, as I must admitt, I would like it better if you would try to expose the "fascist left" as being a creation of aliens, which have installed behaviour changing instruments through anal probes. That would make it much more fun to read.

But I guess you will stay with your theories. Suite yourself ;-)

4:40 AM  
Blogger Moulinneuf said...

"Perhaps it shouldn't, but in practice it does"

Nope , the fact that ICANN even listen to the US is because the US is a big contributor in funds.

Giving someone a report , listening to someone demand and respecting there opinion dont make them in charge.

"(i.e. it can make specific laws telling ICANN what it can and can't do, in minute detail)."

No , and thats the belief that is wrong , ICANN is a non profit org , if the US start to pass LAW specific to them then its ingerence into the conduct of a non profit org , last I look its illegal for a Government in the US even for a US court to do so.

Contrary to popular belief the US law and constitution dont say that much about organization and corporation and what they can and cant do.

ICANN is not part of the US Governement or one of its organization and is no governed by its law , otherwise China would not be able to close site access they deemed innapropriate.

5:29 AM  

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